Reprint Of A Sub-Thread Of A 2015 YouTube Video Discussion About The Global Reach Of African American Music

Austin Pegouske, Nov 30, 2015

a narrative documentary explaining the progression of African-American music. All files are used under the Fair Use Act for educational purposes.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides a complete reprint (as of the date and time of this post's publication) of a sub-thread of a YouTube discussion thread from the 2015 video published by Austin Pegouske that is entitled "African American Music: From Spirituals to Jazz and the Blues".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, historical, and educational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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REPRINT OF YOUTUBE SUB-THREAD
This is a complete sub-thread* in the discussion thread 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Vk6m6pqt8

*as of May 16, 2024 as of 8:14 AM ET. 

These comments are numbered for referencing purpose only. .

One or more comments by @Njörðr of the Atlantic ,@lostItt, and @Αριάδνη Τσαρούχα are referred to by other commenters, but none of those comments under those screen names are still found in this sub-thread. Some of those commenters may have changed their screen name or (also) the commenters may have been automatically deleted when they accumulate/d a certain number of thumbs down. It's also possible that the publisher of this YouTube video deleted those comments or those commenters deleted their own comments.

1. @vonniemo26sis31, 2019
"Black American music influence is global. WE LIT"

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2.@jasminepearls1047, 2019
"I resent this now because now everyone tries to claim it"

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3. @taynacalmon9140, 2020
"@Njörðr of the Atlantic was it? Is it? Some of the Black people had their names erased from this history. But their contributions are undeniable."

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4. @LogosTheos, 2020
"Literally most of the world's music originated with Black Americans. Jazz, blues, rock, funk, rap, Gfunk, trap music, R&B, electro funk, disco, techno music, gospel music, soul music, trap soul music, etc. Literally the whole world copies Black American music. For example you can put in "rap" + any country and you will find it.

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5. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@LostItt It is true and Black Americans didn't steal anything from Latin Americans. You have zero evidence for your claims.

In fact most popular Latin American music has African roots such as Colombian, Cuban, and Puerto Rican music. Certain sounds did not exist in European Spain.

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6. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@LostItt That's false. You made a number of historical errors and clearly have not done any research whatsoever on this topic. Rock didn't originate with Whites. It is an extension of Black Blues music. Also the term "Rock N' Roll" is a Black American slang term that originated with southern Black Blues musicians. here is a compilation of old rocks songs before the 50s:

https://youtu.be/H_lqJk5JzeA

Secondly the wild and energetic style that comes with Rock N' Roll did not originate with Whites. That came from swing music and dance which was a style that originated with Black American Jazz musicians and what Whites thought at the time was ridiculous until many White youth started to adopt it after attending live performances with Black musicians:

https://youtu.be/ahoJReiCaPk

Now you you didn't respond to my claim that Latin American music has African origins. That's easy to prove since Spaniards brought African slaves to parts of Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, etc. Also that is just Africans. You haven't shown how Black American was influenced by Latino especially when there was little to no interaction between Black Americans and Latinos in the early 20th century. Also the link you posted is ironic since Cartagena, Colombia is over 70% afro Colombian. Anyway this is all irrelevant since Africans have nothing to do with Black American music necessarily.

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7. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@LostItt You keep changing your position and argument. Now you are making a completely different argument which is that White people created music instruments which is completely irrelevant since I never argued that Black people created all these music instruments but that Rock music originated with Black Americans. Then you go on to make another irrelevant argument that hip hop uses samples which is  also completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the origin of hip hop itself.

Please go back to your original argument, stop misrepresenting my position and address what I actually said."

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8. @LogosTheos,2020
"@LostItt Techno was born out of Black disco and electro funk music sampling during the 70s. Again it first originates with blacks then other cultures adopt it. Look up electronica and electro funk music from the 70s and 80s. It was dominated by Black Americans. This has been a common trend since Black Americans still take the lead when it comes to modern music innovation. Keep in mind I am not talking about blacks in general but Blacks Americans who even influence modern African music. Like I said Black Americans have influenced modern music more than any other culture and this is supported heavily by academic scholarship. I even referenced a textbook above that you ignored.

Europe was heavily influenced by American music so pointing to Germany is irrelevant. I have actually researched this topic. So far you are pulling everything from the encyclopedia of thin air."

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9. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@LostItt Alright your arguments are getting ridiculous now and straying far away from the original topic which was about the origins of all the music genres I listed. You either come up with an accurate response by dealing with what I said directly or else you are getting blocked for waisting my time."

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10, @greenmindsafricainitiative453, 2020
"African music"

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11. @yushuahuesun9423, 2020
"@LostItt Latins are new to this planet y’all haven’t even been here for 4000 years plz stop it y’all come from everyone."

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12. @yushuahuesun9423, 2020
"@LostItt like y’all always tryna compete with people that created you."

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13. @veridicusmaximus6010,2020
"@LogosTheos  Please!"

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14. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@veridicusmaximus6010  ?"

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15. @yushuahuesun9423, 2020
"@LostItt like y’all always tryna compete with people that created you."

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16. @veridicusmaximus6010, 2020
" @LogosTheos  Stop with the oversimplification that most of the worlds music is from African Americans. Music is an ever evolving mix of cultures - esp. in the U.S."

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17. @veridicusmaximus6010, 2020
"@LogosTheos  Bro you know zip about the fusing of musical and dance elements in America. Your claim is utterly false! Any decent study of the facts would tell you that!"

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18. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@veridicusmaximus6010  You failed to refute anything I said. Usually racists have a problem with Black American achievement when it comes to music genre and try to come up with bullsh-t* like appeals to infusions which is true of all inventions since nothing is purely from ground up. None of that undermines the fact that Black Americans are responsible for most of the world's music."
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*This word is fully spelled out In this comment.

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19.@DemiMariee,2020
"@LogosTheos  jesus christ people are ignorant. they love to put this negativity on black people but when we actually accomplish something positive they invalidate us, like why even click on this video? thanks for sticking up for u"

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20. @deejay5102, 2020
"@LostItt lay off of the drugs....Black people globally have never stolen anything from anybody music wise.  It is the other way around and a lot of white musicians today admit to this....Latin music is heavily influenced by African music so I don't know where you got your info from...Africans was  the first people on earth to create music so stop it...."

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21. @LuxOmnia, 2020
"Ya know all these arguments would end if you just said African music influence is global. But I mean you're still not wrong in the OP."

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22. @LogosTheos, 2020
"@LuxOmnia  That would be even more controversial with White supremacists"

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23. @LuxOmnia, 2020
"@LogosTheos  To be honest I'm not even sure a white supremacist would argue with that but I guess"

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24. dahbajanman7044, 2020
"Let's end this conversation by me asking this, without black people would there be Salsa, Rock, Jazz, Blues, Reggae, Hip Hop, Gospel, R&B or Pop?"

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25.@ethanang3527,2021
"+MJ music. MJ music dominated the entire universe for that."

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26. @anthonysosa9299, 2021
"@yushuahuesun9423  Your not wrong"

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27.@yushuahuesun9423, 2021
"@anthonysosa9299  truth is truth and ik i want some one to keep it real with me."

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28. @PeaceNinja007, 2021
"-- Hello, everyone. I'm a non-Black conservative and usually get called racist for it all the time.. which i'm not .. i love Black people! Anyway, I'm not really here to enter in the kerfuffle that's going on here lol"

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29. @PeaceNinja007, 2021
"-- There's a particular subsection of Black music which has tropical French-Caribbean origins of Afro descent that I absolutely love called ZOUK! I sense a hint of Latin vibes which makes sense being that the Caribbean islands are close to Latin America. It's not popular at all here in the US, in fact .. im probably the only idiot here who blasts this music in my car lol

-- I have a genuine curiosity of what Black Americans think of this music. I know that modern Black American music tends to revolve around Hip Hop .. which i'm not really a fan of but as i've mentioned before, I can't get enough of ZOUK!

--Here's one for reference. This is more of a modern sample, obviously this kind of music has existed for a while and has its fair share of older versions. It sounds awesome if you have a good sound system or headphones! .. Don't be a wuss .. listen to the whole thing .. it's not that long lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSYxHSxtPg

Share it with your friends and family to hear their thoughts as well!"

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30. @satanshameer690, 2021
"@LogosTheos  there needs to be more research on West African and Islamic (MENA) influence on African American work songs, Spirituals, Gospels and ultimately Blues. If I believe European music (including Classical) also has Middle Eastern influence? Last time I checked a lot of musical instruments used in European classical music have middle Eastern origins?

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31. @gilbertjenkins5002, 2021
"@Αριάδνη Τσαρούχα  But Blacks we’re Latin as well. To be exact, blacks have been on this earth before any white skin people ever exist, that include before Latin, However, they were Latin blacks as well. So what is your point ?"

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@PeaceNinja007, 2021
32."@gilbertjenkins5002  There are Afro-Hispanics (black Hispanics) living in Latin countries like Cuba, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Panama, and Colombia ..

.. Is that what you’re referring to?"

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33. @PeaceNinja007 , 2021
" @gilbertjenkins5002   Dang dude .. I was just asking if the black Latins you were referring to are the blacks currently living in Latino countries.

Wasn’t making any statement"

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34. @gilbertjenkins5002, 2021
"@PeaceNinja007  I a very sorry man my mistake. I was sending this to one of them pepper guts in South America. My Bad please forgive me for that mistake. I made a mistake and it should of went to somebody else. Please forgive me."

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35. @PeaceNinja007, 2021
"@gilbertjenkins5002   you are forgiven"

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36. @techyintelo9556, 2022
"@ariadne. S latin music mostly is African music"

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37. @techyintelo9556, 2022
"@ariadne. S latin music mostly is African music"

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38. @angelg.4465, 2022
"@lve you how did you we get it from y’all, when we was free less then 250 years ago…."

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39. @JH-qy8no, 2023
"As a white man watching this, I am trying to understand how African American culture went from soulful blues and jazz to gangster rap. I am a musician myself and am deeply influenced by it. I want to continue playing it as an omage and because I love it. But how come every young black man I know is more into gangster rap which seems to be about "bustin a cap" into someone's head of their own race. Makes no sense to me. Why is Jimi Hendrix considered a dinosaur in 2023?"

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40. @andje_izidor_music, 2023
" @JH-qy8no you're so right"

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41. @Tashaten, 2023
"Systematic rascim at its"

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42. @matthewjones2513, 2024
"This is the dumbest comment section".

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43. @basilisk-wp7if, 2024
"It's some of the best music of all time"

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Remembrances & Examples Of "U-G-L-Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi)"Taunting Rhymes/Cheers Before 2000

Ebola Entertainment, July 27, 2009

The best Cheerleaders on earth are from the movie "Wildcats" starring Goldie Hawn. They are my heroes.

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This pancocojams post documents some remembrances and examples of the children's taunting rhyme "U-G-L-Y (You ain't got no alibi)" before the year 2000.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, recreational, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube and thanks to all those who are featured in that video.

**** PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE "U-G-L-Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi)" is a children's taunting rhyme/cheer. This rhyme/cheer is probably of African American origin, based on its wording and its close similarity to other African American

taunting customs such as "the dozens"/Yo Mama" taunts, including the children's rhyme "Yo Mamas Don't Wear No Drawers."

The earliest dates that I have come across for this rhyme/cheer are the 1970s, and particularly 'the late 1970s". However, it's possible that "U-G-L-Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi)" is older than that. 

Please add to the historical and folkloric records by sharing remembrances and examples of "U-G-L-Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi)" before the year 2000 in the comment section of this pancocojams post. Thanks!

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The sources for these comments and/or examples are numbered for referencing purposes only.

With the exception of the version of "U-G-L-Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi)" from the Wildcats movie, the comments/examples for this taunting rhyme/cheer that are cited in this pancocojams post are given in relative chronological order (with the earliest date remembrances/examples presented first).

The dates and the geographical location, if cited, are given in bold in that comment, or the date is written in bold in the entry for a YouTube video.

Note: These examples are usually known as "U-G-L-Y" and those letters are chanted in the beginning of this rhyme/cheer and in other iterations of that verse. Additional verses for this rhyme/cheer begin with spelled out words (such as "M-O-M-M-A" or "D-A-D-D-Y' which are also chanted.

SOURCE #1

Lyrics for the version of 'U.G.L.Y (You Ain't Got No Alibi) from Wildcat (1986 Movie)

[Video on the top of this pancocojams post.]

[Central High School Cheerleaders]

"U-G-L-Y No, you ain't got no alibi You ugly Hey, Hey You ugly.

M-A-M-A How you think you got that way Yo Momma Hey Hey Your momma [in another clip of the cheerleaders performing this cheer]

"You Oogly! Yo mama said you Oogly!" -snip- "Oogly" is a rarely used, made up form of the word "ugly". "Oogly" means 'very ugly".

**** SOURCE #2 From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81350&messages=262&page=2

Subject: RE: I'm Rubber. You're Glue: Children's Rhymes From: GUEST, Spain Date: 30 May 06

"Teaching English is Spain and my students love these types of rhymes the best. Originally from Boston surprised not to see:

U - G - L - Y You ain't got no alibi you're ugly that's right you're ugly

There is a second phrase about "your momma", but I don't remember it."

-snip- Here's a second comment from Guest, Spain about this same rhyme/cheer.

from https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81350&messages=262&page=3

Subject: RE: I'm Rubber. You're Glue: Children's Rhymes From: GUEST, Spain Date: 30 May 06

"I heard the "ugly" chant in Boston in various summer camps in the late 70s. I've always assumed its even older than that. There was also the street Rockin Robin that I heard/played in the same

camps."... -snip- Guest Spain wrote this in response to my question asking for demographic information. That comment continued with the words to an example of children's rhyme "Rockin Robin", also known as "Tweeleelee" or similar titles.

**** SOURCE #3 From https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/3scway/ugly_you_aint_got_no_alibi_what_is_the_origin_of/ "U.G.L.Y. You Ain't Got No Alibi!!! What is the Origin of this Phrase!?"

[Pancocojams Editor: Alphabetical numbers preface these comments for referencing purposes only, and the comment with the earliest date for this taunting rhyme/cheer is given first.]

a) Moldycoolwhip, 2021 "I know this is an old thread but when the movie Bring It on came out and my mom heard them using this chant she was shocked. According to her, she and her cheering squad came up with it in middle school (1979 ish). She sang the chant and several other verses with it that I had never heard. So if she is correct it originated in Indianapolis, IN in the late 70’s." -snip- A very brief instrumental version of "U-G-L-Y "You ain't got no alibi)" is heard as background to two cheerleading teams doing their routines in the 2000 movie Bring It On.

** b) LatteLocoMafia, 2021 “This was being used at high school football amd basketball games in Connecticut back in the early 80’s. At least 5 or 6 years prior to the movie." -snip- "The movie" refers to the 1986 Wildcat movie.

** c) Eringosomewhere, 2016 "M-A-M-A I know how you got that way yo mama, yeah yeah yo mama. This was our answer to that cheer when I cheered in the mid 80's early 90's"

**** SOURCE #4 From https://littlehead-dh3.angelfire.com/hymnal/words/yougly.htm  Created: 2004 October 16 Modified: 2004 October 26; 2005 October 2; November 11, 24; 2006 January 28; 2009, October 14: 2010 February 24 Author: Jeff "Little Head" Hutchinson

"Yo' Momma Says Yo' Ugly!

Tune: None

Feet down! Ass up! That's the way we like to ___* Yo' mama, yo' mama. Yo' mama says you ugly.

U-G-L-Y You ain't got no alibi Yo' ugly, yo' ugly. Yo' mama says you ugly.

1-2-3-4 I can't look at you no more Yo' ugly, yo' ugly. Yo' mama says you ugly.

5-6-7-8 I can't even concentrate

Yo' ugly, yo' ugly. Yo' mama says you ugly.

D-A-DD-Y You don't even know that guy. Yo' ugly, yo' ugly. Yo' daddy says you ugly

U-N-CL-E He is really your daddy

Yo' uncle, yo' uncle,

Yo' uncle is yo' daddy

CO-U-SI-N

That's who you'll be marryin'

Yo' cousin, yo' cousin,

Yo' cousin says you ugly

IN-B-RE-D That's what your kids'll be

Yo'r inbred, yo'r inbred,

Yo'r kids all say you ugly

Drink it down, down, down, down

I learned this cheer at the 2004 Colorado InviHASHional atWinter Pork. Several people have told me that this cheer (or some reasonable facsimile) was in the movies Wildcats (1986) and Bring It On (2000). However, it's not original in either. Magically Delicious tells me that she heard this from her high school's cheerleaders in Alabama in the late ‘70's.

Poopa Trooper taught me the sixth verse in September 2005.

And Just Mars taught us the third and fourth verses at a Hash in January 2006. I put them in this particular order. -snip- *Profanity deleted for this pancocojams post.

**** SOURCE #5 From https://genius.com/Fishbone-ugly-lyrics

Also, click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcjV8UzSoY for a sound file of this 1985 Ska/Rock record.

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"[Chorus]

U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ugly Cross my heart, hope to die Stick a needle in my eye, you're just ugly U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ugly U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ug-ugly, ugly! U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ugly

U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ugly U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ugly U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you're just ug-ugly ugly!"

-snip- The mostly African American Ska, Rock, R&B musical group Fishbone released the earliest recording of "U-G-L-Y You ain't got no alibi" in 1985. Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishbone for information about Fishbone.

**** SOURCE #6 From - Janell H (African American woman), from her memories of high school cheerleader cheers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1980s; collected by Azizi Powell in 2003

"U-G-L-Y You ain’t got no alibi You're ugly What? What? You’re ugly.

M-O-M-M-A That is how you got that way Your Momma Yeah yeah Your Momma"

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North West's Rap "Miss Westie" In Kanye West's Song "Talking" Includes A Sample Of The Stomp & Shake Cheer "You Don't Have No Problems, You Just Talk Like You Do"

Covered Truth,  Feb. 7, 2024

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This pancocojams post showcases Kanye West's ten year old daughter North West's rap in his 2024 song "Talking". North West's portion of that record, entitled "Miss Westie", includes a recurring sample of a cheerleader saying "You don't want no problems". That sample is from a Stomp & Shake video entitled "You Don't Want Any Problems You Just Talk Like You Do" that was published by BlkCheerMomTV in April 2023 as a Youtube short and as a YouTube video.

This pancocojams post includes the lyrics for North West's "Miss Westie" song as well as the YouTube video of that Stomp & Shake cheer and the words to that cheer. Selected comments from the YouTube discussion thread for that cheer are also included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to North West and thanks to all of those who are featured in that recording and thanks to all those who are associated with that recording and these showcased videos. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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INFORMATION ABOUT "MISS WESTIE"
From https://genius.com/Kanye-west-and-ty-dolla-sign-talking-lyrics [retrieved May 13, 2024]
" “Talking / Once Again” is a two-part track and is North West’s musical debut, released on February 7, 2024, as track 13 of Vultures Volume 1. The first part of the song has background vocals by James Blake.* The music video was released on February 7, 2024.

The song was first performed in its entirety on December 12, 2023, at the Vultures Rave in Miami, Florida.

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“TALKING” debuted and peaked at #30 on the Billboard Hot 100 for the chart week ending February 24, 2024.
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*Correction- James Blake is the producer of that portion of that video and isn't the voice of the person chanting the line "You don't want no problem"...

The recurring line “You don’t want no problems, you just"... is chanted by the African American cheerleader in the very beginning of that high school Stomp & Shake cheer. 

These words are chanted in a YouTube video sort/YouTube video (published by BlkCheerMomTV) in 2022 and 2023) of a mostly African American high school cheerleading squad. The African American female cheerleader (who I presume is the cheer captain) introduces this cheer by saying t hat line. That cheerleader is standing on the right hand side of the front row (as seen on my computer screen). Unfortunately, I've not been able to find any identifying about for that cheerleader or that cheerleading team. Also, as of this date (May 14, 2024), none of comments in those videos' discussion threads and in the discussion thread of another YouTube video of that same cheer ask for that identifying information.

For the historical record, if you know this cheerleader's name, and/or the name of  this cheerleading team's name, and/or the name of the high school and its location, please share that information in the comment section for this pancocojams post. Thanks! 

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INFORMATION ABOUT KANYE WEST'S SONG "TALKING"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_/_Once_Again (retrieved May 13, 2024) 
" "Talking" (stylized in uppercase, single version initially titled "Talking / Once Again") is a song by the American hip hop supergroup ¥$, composed of rapper Kanye West and singer Ty Dolla Sign, featuring West's daughter North. It was first released as a promotional track on February 7, 2024, exclusively on Instagram, YouTube, and X. The song was later released on streaming services on February 8 as the second single from the duo's collaborative album Vultures 1 (2024). The song was written by West and his daughter North, along with Ty Dolla Sign, CyHi, Chicagoan singer and songwriter Mamii, Quentin Miller and frequent collaborator Ant Clemons. It was produced by West alongside No I.D., Swizz Beatz,[citation needed] James Blake, DJ Camper and Edsclusive.

Background and release

"Talking / Once Again" was previewed for the first time at the "Vultures Rave" event in December 2023.[1] Kanye West officially released the song alongside its music video on February 7, 2024.[2]"...
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This Wikipedia page doesn't mention that a YouTube video or YouTube video short sample of the Stomp & Shake cheer "You Don't Want No Problem. You Just Talk Like You Do" was used in north West's "Miss Westie" rap. The only mention of this that I've found online as of this date (May 14, 2024) were multiple comments in discussion threads for that cheer's YouTube video short https://youtube.com/shorts/U-bDwjc74J4?si=0pasXeukA-NqqqwC  and YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFutS36rlSI . Both of these videos published in April 2023 by BlkCheerMomTV) as well as several comments in another YouTube video of that cheer that was published in May 2023 by Coach Jay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIMHDxBH5Vs. 

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LYRICS FOR "TALKING") [With a focus on the portion referred to as "Miss Westie"
[Chorus: James Blake]*

You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)

 [Verse: North West, and James Blake]*

I love it here
We gonna take over the year for another year
It's your bestie, Miss, Miss Westie
Don't tryna test me
It's gonna get messy
It's gonna get messy
Just, just bless me
Bless me (Talking)
It's your bestie, Miss, Miss Westie (Talking)
Just tryna bless me (Talking)
Just bless me, bless me (Talking)

[Chorus: Stomp & Shake Cheerleader]*
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
You don't want no problems, you just— (Talking)
(Talk)”…

Online source - https://genius.com/Kanye-west-and-ty-dolla-sign-talking-lyrics
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"Bestie"is an American vernacular word meaning "best friend".

*The credit for the Stomp & Shake cheerleading sample was given to James Blake, one of the producers of that song. There's no mention in that online lyric page that the voice that is heard is that of one of the cheerleaders in the YouTube short/YouTube video of "You Don't Want No Problems. You Just Talk Like You Do" (published by BlkCheerMomTV in April 2023).

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 - You Don't Want No Problems, You Just Talk Like You Do! ***Full video

Blk CheerMom TV, Apr 15, 2023  #stompandshake #cheer #blackexcellence

The full video of the high school stomp and shake cheer battle at a high school game. Absolutely love these young ladies 💯❤️
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The cheerleader standing in the first row on the right is the one who chants "You Don't Want No Problems, You Just Talk Like You Do!"
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As of May 14, 2024 at 10:25 AM ET  that YouTube video has a total of 539, 162 total views and 1,067 comments.

A YouTube short of that video is found at https://youtube.com/shorts/U-bDwjc74J4?si=0pasXeukA-NqqqwC.  As of May 14, 2024 at 10:25 AM ET that YouTube short has a total of more than 2 million views and and 4.528 comments.

* "YouTube shorts" continuously repeats the same clip.

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WORDS FOR THIS VERSION OF THE STOMP AND SHAKE CHEER "YOU DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEMS. YOUR JUST TALK LIKE YOU DO" 

Cheer captain - "You don't want no problems.

You just talk like you do.

All of the cheerleaders -  Let me show you

That you don’t want no problems.

You just talk like you do.

Say it to our face.

Knuck if you buck.

Step up out them bleachers.

Wassup?

Get buck!

- posted in the discussion thread for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFutS36rlSI by @unknownunknown9296, November 2023
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/05/i-bet-you-wont-get-buck-and-two-other.html for the meaning of the term "get buck." in the context of this cheer.

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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE OF THIS STOMP & SHAKE SAMPLE IN NORTH WEST'S RAP "MISS WESTIES" (PART I OF KANYE WEST'S HIP HOP SONG "TALKING")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFutS36rlSI This is the link for the YouTube Stomp & Shake video that is given above.

These compilation documents a small sample of the comments in this video's discussion thread about Kanye West sampling the voice of the cheerleader in his daughter North West's song "Miss Westie" which is a part of the song "Talking".  

These comments are given without any emojis and are given in relative chronological order except for replies and are numbered for referencing purposes only. 

February 2024 

1. @KemoniHarris-hv5uw
"That sounds like the voice from Kanye West’s new song Northwest"

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2. @webvibin
"it is"

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3. @shayaanrk
" @realdrew1 "Talking" off Vultures 1"

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4. @krxstnjade
"I wonder who got paid for the sample? Each individual girl ? or just the lead ?"

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5. @shayaanrk
"@krxstnjade  it was free real estate"

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6. @krxstnjade
"@shayaanrk  what ?! Omg they don’t have to pay ANYTHING??"

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7. @FilipinoAnimator69420, April 2024
"@krxstnjade bruh being featured in a Kanye song is better than being paid"

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8. @naomibrown4837, April 2024
"I was finna say that this sound like the girl from Kanye but I had to check the chat first"

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@saarimm7057
9. "whos here from kanyes song"

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@monicarenee7949, May 2024
10. "Me because I wanted to see where the sample was from, love it"

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@yuvikh
11. "I’m here after Kanye used this sample in Vultures, this just shows there’s music in everything"

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@dennismakumi3815
12. "kanye west sample went crazy on this bro

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@ramysam90
"13."Kanye has the greatest ear of all time."

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14. @southafricangamer7174
"Damn this was what ye sampled? Both the beat and North went hard!'

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@Leezzdasleezee
15. "Imagine being the background of north west song we love it!!!"

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16. @sillygoofyberry
"SHOUT OUT TO KANYE AND NORTH WEST FOR THIS SAMPLE FLIP"

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17. @augustegusteau1245
"This video bout to blow up after the kanye album"

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18. @dailaaitievaniebaai
"Who is here after the north west debut song"

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19. @coryscoburgh1955
"The fact that Kanye sampled this is nuts'

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20. @lonersdreamworld
"imagine finding out kanye sampled you, thats an honor"

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21. @sk-te
"you don't want no problems you just t a l k i n g"

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22. @Banz4Dan
"Kanye Finna Bring this video alive again"

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23. @savannaweber5662
"Are they being compensated for the sample North West used?!"

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24. @holasoydora6522
"not sure but it's the girls decision but unluckily she doesn't have any social media's (I'm not sure)"

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25. @medeucaa
"Welp. I found the sample kanye used"

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26. @narutouzumake7509
"Kanye the GOAT!!!!!"

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27. @SlxmRxcey
"Kanye fans rise upppppp"

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28. @nihemah
"I’m here bc of North West"

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29. @Ikilledkainrag
"Here before the Kanye comments"

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March 2024
30. @alexhabialwj9911
"Bro i came here after  Kanye dropped his album…"

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31. @GamerTim3
"how did Kanye even find this"

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32. @ph0uad
"It was James Blake, not Kanye who produced it"

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33. @pendleton123
"I'm sure the person who posted this is trying to figure out why the views are spiking 9 months later"

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34. @HeartBreakBonez
"The original besties of Ms. Westie"

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35. @pkmnarizona7870
"Kanye got me here"

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36. @l.avaa.l
"thank god kanye sampled this."

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37. @Dz15007
"came here because of ye but this sh-t* is hard as hell"

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38. @Royay
"This is better than the Kanye song. lol"

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39. @MLadd-lq6gt
"Yall think Kanye paid them?"

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40. @GuilhermeTNT.-
"nah its a sample now"

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41. @majo6944
"prolly not ngl"

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42. @appleheadred3813
"So, Kanye sampled the young lady in the beginning…they better get paid."

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43. @mfsweatshirt6237
"Fr"

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44. @craigtrotter314
"Kanye did this sample justice."

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45. @szolim_oh
"Greetings from kanye squad"

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46. @theguyfromearth1993
"kanye can sample anything"

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April  2024 

47. @nasirhill
"Somebody needs to sample this

 Someone famous

And controversial"

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48. @chelscampbell88
"i just wonder what this girls reaction is whenever she hears ye literally sampled this"

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49. @w7lves
"Kanye be like “this fire” "

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50. @javoncii
"Who randomly clicked this thinking it was a regular cheerleading video knowing ohhh this was sampled in the kanye song?"

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51. @Grym0626
"Kanye need to cut these girls a check"

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52. @LilSticKaDynamite
"Just to let yall know yall maybe owed royalties. Look up kanye west "talking"....."

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53. @Monty-cn7cl
"Imagine being able to tell people that you’re voice is a sample for a Kanye song. Biggest flex"

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54. @bigtonybruiser
"bad sample"

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55. @Jayy-vr5sp
"not really"

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56. @bigtonybruiser
"@Jayy-vr5sp  I just think her voice is obnoxious"

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57. @Jayy-vr5sp
"@bigtonybruiser   you have to have a loud and projecting voice while cheering. especially in a loud setting like a football or basketball game."

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58. @bigtonybruiser
"@Jayy-vr5sp  i just dont like it being repeated in the song is all"

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59. @crimzoh1063
"How would u feel if u we’re just on the cheer team and u end up being sampled into one of the greatest rappers of all times song"

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May 2024 

60. @MAXSWAG507
"She needs to be paid."

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"If You Don't Like My Apples, Don't Shake My Tree" Words In Children's Rhymes And Cheers

Angel Byrd, Oct 16, 2018 
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"If You Don't Like My Apples" cheer is performed by the KM Elites cheerleading team during a cheer battle at a community football game. That cheer is performed from 4:31 to 4:54 in this video. The words to that cheer are found below in this post.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents some examples of the "If You Don't Like My Apples" cheerleading cheer. 

An explanation of the meaning of this cheer is given in this post. 

The content of this post is presented for cultural, folkloric, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer of this cheer and thanks to all those who are featured in this video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in ths post.
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This cheer is a variant form of the 1920s Blues songs "If You Don't Like My Peaches" (Don't Shake My Tree)" or similar words.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/05/partial-chronology-of-songs-with-lyrics.html for the pancocojams post entitled "Partial Chronology Of Songs With The Lyrics "If You Don't Like My Peaches, Don't Shake My Tree" (Or Similar Lyrics) & The Meanings Of Those Lyrics".

The earliest song that I found with that substituted the word "apples" for "peaches" is the Nat King Cole Trio's 1946 Jazz song "If You Don't Like My Apples". Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/05/nat-king-cole-trio-if-you-dont-like-my.html for a pancocojams post about that song.

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WHAT THE RHYME/CHEER "IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY APPLES" MEANS
"If  You Don't Like My Apples" is my title for children's rhymes and cheers that include those words. The oldest example of this rhyme that I've found is published in John Langstaff, Carol Langstaff, Shimmy Shimmy Coke-Ca-Pop!, A Collection of City Children's Street Games & Rhymes {Garden City, New York, Double Day & Co; page. 57; 1973). The "If  you don't like my apples" part of that rhyme is given at the end of the rhyme entitled "I'll Be" (Read Example #1 below in this post.]

The words for that verse of the "I'll Be" rhyme serve as the template for the contemporary African American originated "If  You Don't Like My Apples" children/teens cheers.

"If You Don't Like My Apples" is particularly used as a stomp and shake cheerleading "battle cheer". "Battle cheers" are confrontational cheers that are chanted during "cheer battles" (also called "cheer offs") in which two opposing cheerleader teams face each other on the basketball court or the football field during half times of their athletic teams games and take turns chanting cheers with accompanying choreographed routines. "Battle cheers" may also be chanted as "bleacher cheers" (cheers that are chanted and performed by each cheerleader team while they stand or sit in the bleachers while the actual athletic game is being played.

Unlike the "If you don't like my peaches, don't shake my tree" lyrics, the "if you don't like my apples" words don't have any sexual connotations. Instead, the words "if you don't like my apples" means "If you don't like me and my cheerleading team and my athletic team" , then you don't have any business being here at all. This is my warning to you. If you don't leave, we'll mess you up."

Some schools and community organizations don't allow cheerleading teams to perform battle cheers because the cheerleaders or other people who attend those games may take the cheers too seriously and actually engage in physical fights. That's not the intention of these battles cheers. Cheerleading teams are supposed to show off their chanting and choreography skills while keeping their cool. They are supposed to showcase their creativity while performing these cheers, and demonstrate their skill in this cheer battle by choosing the right cheer to use as a clap back (retort) to the other team's cheer. (As such, these cheer battles are similar to the dozens contests). 

As commenters in multiple YouTube discussion threads of stomp and shake cheerleading document, it's common for children and teens to chant the same cheers, but create their own movements to those cheers (i.e. "the cheer routine".)  Which cheerleading team wins a particular cheer battle is subjective- No official winner is announced. The viewers decide for themselves which cheerleading team had the best cheers and did the cheers the best. With regard to the cheer battle between the KM Elite cheerleaders and their cheer competitors, the Huskies, the overwhelming majority of commenters in that video's discussion thread wrote that KM Elite was the winner of that cheer battle.     

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EXAMPLES OF "IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY APPLES" CHEERS
These examples are given in chronological order based on the earliest year for the examples that I have found.

If you know any other examples of these cheers, please add them to this collection by sharing that information (with year and geographic location) in the comment section for this pancocojams post. Thanks!

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Example #1
I'LL BE

I'll be. I’ll be
Walking down the street,
Ten times a week.
Un-gawa. Un-gawa baby
This is my power.
What is the story?
What is the strike?
I said it, I meant it.
I really represent it.
Take a cool cool Black to knock me down.
I'm sweet, I'm kind.
I'm soul sister number nine.
Don't like my apples,
Don't shake my tree.
I'm a Castle Square Black
Don't mess with me.

Source: John Langstaff, Carol Langstaff, Shimmy Shimmy Coke-Ca-Pop!, A Collection of City Children's Street Games & Rhymes {Garden City, New York, Double Day & Co; page. 57; 1973)
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"Black" here means "Black person". "Castle Square" is either the name of a neighborhood in a particular city or the name of a housing development (low income housing "projects") within that city.

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Example #2
Subject: RE: Don't Like My Apples Don't Shake My Tree
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Sep 09

"Here's an example of a children's cheerleader cheer that includes the floating verse "if you don't like my apples/don't shake my tree":

Princess writes:

I have sum more:

I'm a Cougar from Cougar town and only a Cougar can knock me down If you don't like my apples, don't shake my tree 'cause I'm a Cougar Don't mess with me!

-Black Princess, http://beta.beaconstreetgirls.com/clubs/19/post_threads/cheerleading-team?post_thread_id=67414*

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The exact same cheer is posted on http://cheerleading-cheers.blogspot.com/

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"If you don't like my apples/don't shake my tree" verse is found in American girls' handclap rhymes/jump rope rhymesa and cheerleader cheers. I'm not sure how common this verse is."
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*That link is no longer active.

I found the exact same cheer on this website:

https://www.liveabout.com/cheerleading-cheers-chants-yells-collection-588618 Cheers, Chants, and Yells Submitted by Cheerleaders, By Valerie Ninemire, Updated on 02/12/21

Here's our newest collection of cheers, chants, and yells for cheerleaders. If you have a favorite cheer you haven't seen listed, send it in.

Submitted by: Zuri -"I'm a Cougar from Cougar Town"...

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Example #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhS6g8fpUc  KM Elite vs Huskies Cheer Battle, published by Angel Byrd, Oct 16, 2018  #Uknow

We don't start battles...we just finish them. #Elitecheerstayready #Uknow

Here's my transcription of the cheer that the KM Elite chanted: [This cheer is performed in the video given at the top of this pancocojams post.]

"I'm a Blazer from Blazer town.
It takes another Blazer to knock me down.
If you don't like my apples
Don't shake my tree.
I'm a bad mighty Blazer.
Don't mess with me.
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"Blazer" is a shortened form of the athletic team's name, the "trailblazers". This cheerleading team is located in Spartanburg, South Carolina (from their Facebook page).
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The word "bad" in this cheer means "very good". 

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Example #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhS6g8fpUc  KM Elite vs Huskies Cheer Battle

Here's a comment that was posted in that video's discussion thread in response to a request for the words to that cheer.

LifeWithRena, 2019
"When I was hs we had a cheer like that. It’s goes:

“Imma RAM from Edgewood town and it takes a RAM to knock me down if you don’t like my apples then don’t shake my tree cause I’m from Edgewood baby don’t mess with me” so it’s prob something like that"
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"When I was hs" =When I was in high school".
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Another commenter in that discussion thread wrote that she had just tried out for her middle school cheerleading team and they also did that same cheer.

These "If You Don't Like My Apple" cheers appear to have basically the same words except for the substitution of the name of the school's athletic team, the name of the school or community sport's team, or the name of the city where the cheerleader team/sports team is located.

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